2005-03-12 [HiddenFire]: Shame? I was unaware that people still possesed such an archaic mode of thought. o.0

2005-03-12 [Avoral]: Ah, yes. Spoken like a true practitioner of 21st-century "all things but happiness will be outdated" values.

2005-03-13 [Tails Of the Revolution]: more people than not are convinced happiness is outdated too.

2005-03-13 [Avoral]: Not from a scientific perspective.

2005-03-13 [Tails Of the Revolution]: did someone actually do a study on this?

2005-03-14 [Avoral]: Actually, yeah.

2005-03-14 [Avoral]: I read about it in a psychology magazine (yeah, those things actually give you the current studies), and that's what it's saying.

2005-03-14 [Tails Of the Revolution]: how would you accurately study something like that, with it being such a shades-of-gray concept in general...

2005-03-14 [Avoral]: Well, you'd basically go off the assumption of today that there pretty much is no mind, just a collection of neurological whatnots creating the illusion we know as consciousness. Then you take the neurotransmitters that shape it all, find the perfect balance, and make what every human being wants: A perfect, happy mind and life. The entire basis of the movie "Brave New World." Hidden's seen it, I know; he could tell you what I'm saying.

2005-03-14 [Jay Ladlehaus]: I've read the book...."Orgie Porgie!"

2005-03-14 [Avoral]: Ooh, sounds fun already! ^_^ What's it about? Same thing?

2005-03-14 [Jay Ladlehaus]: I haven't seen the movie, so I can't compare. But it has two main characters, John the Savage, and the Alpha who is 3 inches shorter than he's supposed to be (whatever his name is). It's effectively a dystopia on the opposite side of 1984, where the people have lost their freedom not because of a tyrannical authoratarian govt, but because they have been distracted by pleasure.

2005-03-14 [Avoral]: Ah, yes. Then it does sound like roughly the same concept, with some rather drastic variations. Hehe.

2005-03-14 [dragonflye]: *dominate* everyone here must listen to what I say.

2005-03-14 [Avoral]: Ooh, she must have Dominate 6 or 7.

2005-03-14 [dragonflye]: heck yeah

2005-03-14 [dragonflye]: actually, everyone is just hypnotized by my boobs.

2005-03-14 [Avoral]: *Staring* Huh? Were you saying something?

2005-03-14 [dragonflye]: no. hehehe

2005-03-15 [Malkavian]: Moo! MOO!

2005-03-15 [Tails Of the Revolution]: I've read 1984, and apparently I'm writing a dystopia for school that's got the same concepts... I'm just more screwed up than the author of that book, according to my English teacher.

2005-03-15 [levhole]: say anthony did you ever find a copy of the Vorticist Manifesto?

2005-03-15 [dragonflye]: Actually, kinda. I never acted on it, being a cheap bastard and all, but I think I might be able to find it and obtain it once I get some funds going (seeing as I don't work for Spinx anymore).

2005-03-15 [levhole]: so you just a bum again?

2005-03-15 [levhole]: you wouldn'd be up for a st patties day concert and after party would you?

2005-03-15 [dragonflye]: Nah, I'm working still. ^_^ I work for Tafta now, doing random lackey work. Hell, I've built MUSCLE, of all things. Oh, and when is this party, then? (Oh, and I suppose I should ask something about the concert, but we all know what I'm concerned with.)

2005-03-15 [levhole]: the concert will be on saturday in columbia, Jump Little Children and another large name will be playing, I figure we can ride down that night and get shitty with Jeff and D.O. because the LEVS WILL BE ON BREAK!

2005-03-15 [dragonflye]: Oh, damn. I'm actually not going to be able to make that one. Not cool.

2005-03-15 [levhole]: what the fuck man

2005-03-15 [dragonflye]: Family-related BS, and on top of that Leeann can't make it.

2005-03-15 [levhole]: aww, do you want to use my phone... you know call your gynocologist, tell him your pussy is hurting?

2005-03-15 [Avoral]: *Destroys. In the face.*

2005-03-15 [Delladreing]: *offers help to do so*

2005-03-15 [Avoral]: Yay! *Takes the clip from The Fiona and unloads into Levs' face* *Four times* *Somehow* *Don't ask* Anyway. That reminds me. What was that wiki I whined about, The Fiona? It was that overly black Wicca page. It must be destroyed.

2005-03-15 [Delladreing]: oh yes i got a rather interesting message on that lol. i have already comented there, but no one seesm willing to chat with me. maybe its becausen i am branded as a psychotic evil pagan bitch on a power trip *the lovely things people call her*

2005-03-15 [Avoral]: Oh, damn. You've got me beat. I only got "Fucking conformist tosser" and a slew of other less-creative (yes, it is possible) titles. The rest just sling insults I can't salvage as a tag.

2005-03-15 [Delladreing]: lol i have had much much worse. that was the only would i could remember without having tgo look at my diary lol. its funny how people assume such things will upset me, it merely gives me a more justifiable reason to tear them apart, and then they wonder why they are lookinf for parts of their anatomy which i have seen fit to rip off and throw about cyberspace *shrugs* i really dont know what they mean when they say i have a violence and anger problem, and none of them seem to stick around to enlighten me XD

2005-03-15 [Avoral]: Yeah, seriously. It'd be awesome to do it in an angry fashion, but I can't help just taking the stance of philosophical superiority. Hehe.

2005-03-15 [Delladreing]: lol ^_^

2005-03-15 [Falx]: Was it wiccaz wing ?

2005-03-15 [levhole]: We should also put the smiting on anything HIM related -- he's worse than a goth -- a poser in denile!

2005-03-15 [HiddenFire]: ah... philosophical superiority. That's the way to go. Let them know in plain and simple terms that they are intellectually inferior. Not even being mean about it, but distroying their logic... or rather reveiling their lack there of. Fun stuff. ^_^

2005-03-16 [Avoral]: Yes, that's the exact wiki. ^_^ Good work, [Falx].

2005-03-16 [Avoral]: Oh, yes. Hidden knows the strategy of which I speak. And Levs, I agree.

2005-03-16 [Tails Of the Revolution]: oh, that would be jolly. Wait... ugh, too much phantom-ness.

2005-03-16 [Delladreing]: they wish to use my own words agaisnt me on that wiki. Then they will meet the english teacher I am afraid, and she is not as nice as the Fiona, and that says it all ^_-. *sinks the claws into wiccaz wing and twists them in a little bit more* i will owe you for finding me this one Avy i think. I have been looking for a decent fight for a long time now >:D

2005-03-16 [Avoral]: No problem. I figured the wiki BEGGED its destruction.

2005-03-16 [Delladreing]: Lol. It would have been quicker had they came onto Playgans waving a red flag at me with "PLAYGAN" marked accross their foreheads in bright red letters, oh well their end will be nigh *evil laugh*

2005-03-16 [Neimo]: *does a few, lightening-fast ersatz ninja moves on Anakai and runs away with him* *cackles with glee*

2005-03-16 [Delladreing]: they ran away on that playgan wiki, no one wants to play with me *whines*

2005-03-16 [Avoral]: EE! *Stolen*

2005-03-16 [Delladreing]: ....somone stole Avoral....this cannot be good >.>

2005-03-16 [Jay Ladlehaus]: No big deal...we have an insurance policy on him and we can get a new Avoral in no time...we have an insurance policy, right?

2005-03-16 [Delladreing]: ....*looks* not that i can see....uhm...oh dear oh dear oh dear *gets the shot gun out* ima going Avoral theiveses hunting

2005-03-16 [Jay Ladlehaus]: Darn it! Who didn't pay the premiums and caused the policy to lapse?!?

2005-03-16 [Delladreing]: dont look at me, i dont do anything official here, other than plug shamelesly for my wiki Playgans...that and ocasionally go off on a raving rant...

2005-03-16 [Avoral]: *Destroys the insurance agent*

2005-03-16 [Delladreing]: *BANG* *and the fiona shoots him for good measure*

2005-03-16 [Jay Ladlehaus]: actually the insurance agent can't cancel the policy. He's only a go-between. You have to aim for the insurance company.

2005-03-16 [Mister Awesome]: *Sends the commandos.* Just try and revoke Sesame Street's insurance policy again, punks!

2005-03-16 [Avoral]: *Goes commando too* *Sings "Free Ballin'"*

2005-03-16 [Panda-monium]: O.O

2005-03-16 [Jay Ladlehaus]: um, are you planning to tea-bag them?

2005-03-16 [Avoral]: Yes. *BINX!* By the way, I now own Gods of Elftown, so you should all worship me.

2005-03-17 [levhole]: *binx* yes *biiinnnnxxxx*

2005-03-17 [iippo]: Soulie did you link me here or am I following you around/you following me around... Anyways... this place... is... I haven't desided yet. *everybody holds their breath until the mighty iippo declares her snetence on the contents of the page* :P At least I can pretend to be arrogant enough for this page. :P :P :P

2005-03-17 [iippo]: Looked around - will stick around.

2005-03-17 [Malkavian]: Av...can I hit people with sticks?

2005-03-17 [Mister Awesome]: Look at my house. THOSE commandos. Well actually, you were almost right. They're always commando. Without pants. Just fur.

2005-03-17 [Jay Ladlehaus]: I'm pretty sure I didn't link you iippo. I think it's a case of ring-around-the-rosie.

2005-03-17 [Delladreing]: *hides from person with stick* just dont hit me, or i will take it off you and beat you to a bloody pulp with it *the fiona is not in a good mood, innocent bystanders, you have been warned*

2005-03-17 [Avoral]: Yes, my little mini-thing, you can hits them all with the sticks. Minus The Fiona.

2005-03-17 [Avoral]: And [iippo], that's a good start. The arrogance will come with exposure to CI, I promise. ^_^

2005-03-17 [Delladreing]: thanks Avoral lol. and yes [iippo] do not worry, even i ended up a fixture in here...after a while anyway lol

2005-03-17 [Avoral]: Damn skr8. ^_^

2005-03-17 [Delladreing]: *is like a piece of furniture here now...a very insane piece of furniture that randomly goes skitso and lashes out at anyone who tries to sit on her*

2005-03-17 [Avoral]: *Sits on The Fiona*

2005-03-17 [Delladreing]: *resists the urge to lash out* O_o" *twitches*

2005-03-18 [Tails Of the Revolution]: wait for it....

2005-03-18 [Falx]: *braces for the inevitable lash* Eep!

2005-03-18 [iippo]: I CAN'T TAKE THIS PRESSURE!!! LASH ALREADY!! O___________O;;;;;;;;;;;;;; GRAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

2005-03-18 [Delladreing]: *lashes out sending the Avoral flying across the room* warned you :p

2005-03-18 [Avoral]: Yay! ^_^

2005-03-19 [iippo]: That was fun... Let's do that AGAIN!

2005-03-19 [Delladreing]: lol

2005-03-19 [iippo]: ...and here also.

2005-03-19 [Delladreing]: *is everywhere* lol

2005-03-19 [iippo]: And lolling everywhere

2005-03-19 [Delladreing]: always ;D

2005-03-21 [Falx]: *ducks to avoid the flying Avy*

2005-03-21 [dragonflye]: *catches Avy and huggles him*

2005-03-21 [Delladreing]: i was about to shout "go long" but heh she caught him already :)

2005-03-22 [Avoral]: *Squishes my lovey blowfish!* *Makes her inflate!*

2005-03-22 [Delladreing]: O.o cool

2005-03-23 [Exapno Mapcase]: hymn to lucifer... I... just... meh, just check this out. The author is a famous mystic...

2005-03-25 [Avoral]: Yes, it does seem that we're getting increasingly popular.

2005-03-25 [Avoral]: Probably some pointless Crowley-stuff. Show me a reason to care, Exapno.

2005-03-25 [Delladreing]: *sneers* Crowley *mutters away*

2005-03-25 [Avoral]: Yes, I truly am supreme. I call 'em as I see 'em.

2005-03-25 [Delladreing]: *continues to mutter away in her corner about Crowley, the occasional words "bastard" and "mother fucker" being heard* well done Avoral on identifying that one, i had to click on it and defile my eyes with it to see it was indeed by Crowley

2005-03-25 [iippo]: Ooops. Anyway, the Lucifer-thingie is... oddly. Messed up, just like its author. Maybe you could... I dunno. Do something with that poem?

2005-03-26 [Avoral]: All right, I want the most creative minds to get together and compose a mockery of that poem now. Who among us are the greatest poets? I must say, alas, that my grasp of verse is far from exceptional.

2005-03-26 [Pyra]: *huggles de avy* mwhahaha...

2005-03-26 [Falx]: I shall do my best to meet this challenge.

2005-03-26 [Pyra]: yesh, I shall try as well...hmm..

2005-03-26 [Lost in Illusions]: I dont do spontaneous poems... it takes me quite a while to figure out what to write

2005-03-26 [Tails Of the Revolution]: I'll give it a shot, albeit a lazy one.

2005-03-26 [Lost in Illusions]: I could spend some time on it, but dont expect anything! ><

2005-03-26 [Avoral]: Yeah, I don't know how easy this is going to be, regardless. Hehe. It's a thought I had early in the morning, and I composed a wiki about it. The Crowley Game. I just want to see whether or not it'll work out. And hey, The Chris, don't worry. Nobody's gonna make fun of you if it sucks, as this is just the trial shot at a very difficult game, I'd imagine, to play.

2005-03-26 [Falx]: I'm sorry for being ignorant on this subject, but just who is Aleister Crowley? The only Crowley I can think of is a character in Good Omens...

2005-03-26 [Avoral]: Dearie, no need for apologies. If you don't know something, it's not like you're condemned to ostracism. We're not Goths here. Anyway, Crowley was one of the main guys in the Satanist movement. He composed a lot of work furthering it, and basically his teachings were kinna like exultations of the whole Spiritus Mundi deal--The World Spirit, or basically Satan.

2005-03-26 [Lost in Illusions]: hehe, Im the Chris.. I could get used to that. Im not worried about being ridiculed, it's just that I dont often spontaneously write something just by thinking of them.

2005-03-26 [Falx]: Well, that just makes the character of Crowley from Good Omens that much funnier! I wonder if Prachet and Gaiman had that in mind when they named their demon Anton Crowley...

2005-03-26 [Lost in Illusions]: hmmm... All I know is there are two sides to Satanism... Crowley and LaVey.. Crowley is the one who actually worships Satan as a "god"... I think.. O.o

2005-03-26 [Tails Of the Revolution]: LaVey... now I don't recognize that one. Who is he? Or was.

2005-03-26 [Lost in Illusions]: he is the founder of LaVey Satanism... his form of satanism, if i am correct, is that we ourselves are our own gods, and we have no need for another god... I really dont know.

2005-03-26 [Tails Of the Revolution]: Sounds like a moron for the 21st century, if Ido say so myself.

2005-03-26 [Lost in Illusions]: I dont know it all, but it doesnt sound completely stupid... I dont know. I am a borderline atheist, so I dont know what to believe anymore.. since I want to believe that there has to be something out there, but at the same time, "where is it??"

2005-03-26 [Tails Of the Revolution]: You're a none. I'm writing a paper about it, it's like a hybrid of religious beliefs rolled into one. It's pretty neat, it's functional.

2005-03-26 [Lost in Illusions]: a none.. I suppose. I believe in the higher power, though I do not call it "God" or any other name.. it is just an apparent... "it" I dont believe that I control everything myself, nor do I believe that "it" controls everything at the same time.... I dont know what to believe, really, I am just here, living.. day by day...

2005-03-26 [Tails Of the Revolution]: Good philosophy... just a word of advice, don't evr try that argument in a Jewish household... tried it, scary results.

2005-03-26 [Lost in Illusions]: I tend to stay away from theological debates... they scare me, especially the ones that say "This way is right, and though there may be these arguments, they are all WRONG!"

2005-03-26 [iippo]: I don't mind religious conversations, as long as everyone just tells what they think and listens and respects what others think.

2005-03-26 [iippo]: People who say "my God is right!" don't know God at all.

2005-03-26 [Lost in Illusions]: ~nods~ It's like people think that just because I dont call "it" "God" means Im an atheist or a satanist... I still believe in a higher power, and I accept the beliefs of "God" of others, even though I dont agree.

2005-03-26 [iippo]: There is no need for the quotation marks. God is not a bad word. Even if you wouldn't like Robbie Williams, you wouldn't call him "singer". You'd just call him a bad singer. People take the word God far too seriously. You say higher power, I say God, no need for quotation marks.

2005-03-26 [Lost in Illusions]: eh, I just use the quotations to illustrate my disbelief in his ultimate power... the higher power which I belief in simply exists, it really serves no purpose in life.

2005-03-26 [Delladreing]: aww and Dela gets to miss out on all the fun. damn these time differences ;)

2005-03-26 [Delladreing]: i think i may dedicate a page to Crowley on Playgans...once i have the time :S

2005-03-26 [Lost in Illusions]: well, Crowley and LaVey arent fake.. their religions are actually substantial arguments for the sake of religion...

2005-03-26 [Delladreing]: yes but from a personal point of view, i despise Crowley and the image he brought with him. so mocked he will be if i ever get the time

2005-03-26 [iippo]: Yeah well, I Christian, but I don't use quotation marks when I say a name of the hindu-gods or "Buddha" or "Muhammed" or something like that. It's just a name. I would be offended if you called me "iippo" just because you didn't like me or didn't think iippo was my real name or the correct term to call me. If you are saying "I believe in a higher power, not God nor god" that illustrates your point of view enough. Sorry to be picky like this... ^_^;;;; I just can talk about any little thing to keep the conversation going... ^_^;;;;;;;;;;

2005-03-26 [Lost in Illusions]: true... I dont know.. I want to believe in it all, but nothing at all.. it's an odd belief, I have.

2005-03-26 [iippo]: Yeah, sounds confusing. But nowadays it's not easy to believe in anything, people keep questioning your faith, you yourself keep questioning your own faith... Sometimes people call believers weak, but it takes real strenght to believe in something.

2005-03-26 [Lost in Illusions]: yes, it does... I believe in nothing.. not that I dont believe in anything, i believe in nothing... there is a difference, as I dont believe in any omnipotent being which controls our every thought, movement, etc. I believe that nothing exists and that we simply are here because we believe we are

2005-03-26 [Delladreing]: "i think therefore i am" oh its my philosophy class all over again :D

2005-03-26 [iippo]: *hated her philosophy-class because the teacher was annoying* She was a bad teacher and made me dislike philosophy... *dreams of proper philosophy-teaching*

2005-03-26 [Lost in Illusions]: Descartes... Im in PHI right now... we are doing theology... gah.. I hate it.

2005-03-26 [Lost in Illusions]: I hate my philosophy class... the teacher is old, and he seems to be becoming senile... forgetting things that we should be doing, spacing out and not talking completely clear... gah. hate it. his teaching methods could be much better.

2005-03-26 [Delladreing]: i am hopefully going to become a philosophy minor as soon as i get into university this septmber (note the "as soon as" lol damnit i will get in i will!!) oh im so jealous, i want to be back in a philosophy class, its a year since i was in one :( *Misses being able to actually think in a class for a change*

2005-03-26 [iippo]: What is theology like?

2005-03-26 [Lost in Illusions]: eh... basically states that God has to exist and no other argument can be right.

2005-03-26 [Avoral]: Aww, my little The Fiona is following in my footsteps! ^_^

2005-03-26 [Avoral]: *Philosophy minor already*

2005-03-26 [Delladreing]: lol id have done it anyways Avy, although it does look like im being a bit of a copy cat XP *is working on Crowley material* i stand by my previous judgement, the man was an absolute *beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep*

2005-03-26 [Lost in Illusions]: I feel behind... Im still at Tech, trying to get my Paralegal Associate's degree...... I dont know what Im going to major in once I get to Coastal, but I was thinking Psych, or Philosophy... Avy seems to think that I would be a good philosopher... o.O

2005-03-26 [Delladreing]: you never know you might be...although theres not much money in that unless maybe you went into teaching, that is of course, you would like a stable job. i know lots of philosophers who are happy to not work with the degree they have. although to me that seems a waste

2005-03-26 [Lost in Illusions]: I dont like teaching, but I love philosophizing... I might take a minor in PHI, I am getting a law degree soon. Id rather just keep the philosophy on the side, writing the occasional memoir

2005-03-26 [Delladreing]: *nods* i think liking the idea of being a teacher should be grounds for arguing insanity *points at self as she is studying towards becoming a teacher of english and possibly philosophy* although im not sure anymore if its what i really want to do...its a stable future i supose :). ach you never know, you might write a best selling book with it, lets face it, thre is a lot of crud out there, itd be refreshing to read something worth reading.

2005-03-26 [Lost in Illusions]: hehehehehehe... it's fun arguing theism with idiotic Christians who think they are right and no one else is.

2005-03-26 [Delladreing]: lol ahh its fun stuff. but for me i like arguing with my fellow "pagans". i love the proclaimed wiccans that act high and mighty over their "powers" and then i come along, ask them to state the 100th Ardaine and then they ask me what the fuck the Ardaines are...and im not even a Wiccan so i dont follow them :D *needs to find a playgan to toy with as she is bored* meh they all ran away :( no one wants to play with me *wonders why lol*

2005-03-26 [Pyra]: *chuckles* I wish I had a playgan to have fun with...*cries* they're all so childish *shakes head* Oh well! ^-^

2005-03-26 [Lost in Illusions]: hahahahahahahahaha..... ~laughs evilly~ I scared the poor pathetic delusional Christian away... damnit.. I closed the window... I could have posted the nice pwn on my wiki... poo

2005-03-26 [Delladreing]: lol i dont have many left...they all left et when they saw me coming...they went to elfpack thinking theyd escape...then they found i was on the council *evil grin* there is actually no escaping me :D

2005-03-26 [Avoral]: Hey, wait a sec... They did that to me too!

2005-03-26 [Delladreing]: did what dearest?

2005-03-26 [Lost in Illusions]: this was a... "friend" on AIM... I just keep him around to fuck with him... it's too bad I didnt save this conversation.. it would surely be an entry into the Conformity Inc. family.

2005-03-27 [Tails Of the Revolution]: *Chuckle...* The idiots that take foregin affairs make me so happy...

2005-03-27 [Lost in Illusions]: hmmmm? What do you mean?

2005-03-27 [Tails Of the Revolution]: I'm majoring in foreing affairs, and the people in my class are all either radical Goths, stoned beyond coherence, or thought it was an easy class. And today we discussed religion. Had to be the funniest thing I've ever seen.

2005-03-27 [Lost in Illusions]: heh? Why..?

2005-03-27 [Tails Of the Revolution]: Think about it. How much of the government in the world is based on religious beliefs? Welcome to first classes.

2005-03-27 [Lost in Illusions]: heh.. fun. That would be almost ... everything?

2005-03-27 [Tails Of the Revolution]: completely everything was what we came up with... except maybe Australia, nobody really knows what they operate on.

2005-03-27 [Lost in Illusions]: I only know US, and I assume that England works the same

2005-03-27 [Tails Of the Revolution]: basically. Past that, the free world really doesn't care and the rest have no choice.

2005-03-27 [Lost in Illusions]: heh.. I really wouldnt know... but I can see how that's true.

2005-03-27 [Tails Of the Revolution]: It's pathetic, the entire shpiel.

2005-03-27 [Lost in Illusions]: spheil... uh.. yeah..... I hate this government... which is really quite stupid for me to say, when Im planningon getting a law degree...

2005-03-27 [Tails Of the Revolution]: even better. I'm frustrated with our government, so I've decided to dabble in the rest of the worlds' governments on top of it.

2005-03-27 [iippo]: No offence but... You guys sound awfully close-minded. First of all, it seems that there are two things that are acceptable to not-accept: Chrsitianity and America. I mean bloody hell, no one goes around saying "the diddums buddhists ran away when they saw me coming" nor "the communist Chinese government is fucked up, lets keek them in the eye!" It is ok to pwn a person who is an idiot but to say "all those Christians"... Most Christians I've met are far nicer people than "atheists" or those who don't have any sort of idea of their faith. And btw, England and America are not the same at all. England isn't even a democracy. Just... cut back on the stereotyping, please.

2005-03-27 [iippo]: It's ok to attack one person, like "[iippo] is such a mislead Christian" but to sum up everybody is just sad... I dunno, I trust people with faith more. You know that they have moral that is not from the earthly.

2005-03-27 [Delladreing]: that is what annoys me about some of the followers of my own faith. "its those darn christians, they wiped all us wiccans out in the burning times and they are trying to do it again"...............uhm gee lets think, seen as how there were no wiccans alive in the burning times id say its highly unlikely. and it was Christianity, it was the Catholic Church on a serious power trip wiping out ANYBODY that ddint agree with their belief system, including other Christians. Sure, there are lots of fundamentalist groups still about but you cannot categorasie everyone in that sect.

2005-03-27 [Kayne]: Hihi, I really find it funny when people say that wicca stuff. And then they look at me like I'm some sort of alien by mentionng that wicca was 'invented' 70 years ago. :;p

2005-03-27 [Delladreing]: hehe its fun isnt it :D "oh so the 1950s the catholic church were burning people at the stake where they?" "what?" "well thats when wicca was created...." "................im going to curse you!!" "oho are you now >:D"

2005-03-27 [Kayne]: Do you believe in magic Deladreing? Do you believe that if you do a spell or something that there is something magical bound to happen? (If this is not the place let me know, I was just curious.)

2005-03-27 [iippo]: Who let kayne in?? :P (don't worry Del, he loves me)

2005-03-27 [Kayne]: I have been watching this place for quite some time. A few days (maybe a week) ago Avoral said that I really should check this place out and he gave a link. (However I was already watching this place, go figur.)

2005-03-27 [Tails Of the Revolution]: Del, you make me laugh. And iippo, that's fair, aclling me closed-minded. Truth be told, I can be. However, if that's how it came off, as being anti-Christian, I'm sorry, that's not what I was talking about at all.

2005-03-27 [Delladreing]: I make you laugh? In a good way or bad way lol? And yes Kaynec I do believe in magic, I am a witch afterall its rather fundamental to my beliefs. But not always does it have a reaction to what you do. Sometimes it is not the time, or you are too tired or out of balance and thats when things can happen, but not necesarily in the way you wanted it to.

2005-03-27 [Delladreing]: And the term "magic" is often misused. At the risk of sounding like a playgan "its not like in the movies"...although some weird stuff has been known to happen, fireworks and pretty lights have yet to shoot out of my little fingers, although one can always wait and hope ^_-

2005-03-27 [Delladreing]: I dont want to be flooding the Conformity Inc comments box with this though, i feel like i might overstep in some way or start boring people. so kaynec any questions message me or go to Playgans, my little domain of biting sarcasm and terror with education thrown in for good measure :D

2005-03-27 [Lost in Illusions]: ~sits in the background, waiting for an interesting topic to come up~

2005-03-27 [Delladreing]: see. *points at self* boring people with my incesant babbling ;)

2005-03-27 [Lost in Illusions]: haha... nah. I just dont find this topic very intriguing.

2005-03-27 [Delladreing]: lol fair enough not many do. meh no one is online...and cant think of anything good to talk about :I

2005-03-27 [Lost in Illusions]: hmmmm.... the idea of an omnipotent being which governs our lives completely?

2005-03-27 [Delladreing]: hmm too much for me at this time of nigt (11pm) its any wonder i havent slumped over the keyboard yet into blisful unconciousness with the keys of the keyboard making marks on my forehead. but hell lets go for it :D

2005-03-27 [Lost in Illusions]: ah... youre in Europe, I take it? I really dont know what to believe.. I want to believe that there is a higher power that helps us, but at the same time, where is he?

2005-03-27 [Delladreing]: Yes. Scotland to be exact my dear :) Or She for that matter ;). I personally believe in the Divine. although whether or not they are truly all powerful yet caring is another matter. and my response to the "where is he" is everywhere. the divine is in all, even the bad...which i know could be seen as a kind of oxymoron, but everything has a creative power behind it...atleast tahts how i feel

2005-03-27 [Lost in Illusions]: I believe it, as well... I believe that to give anything a name, is to give it power, therefore I dont call whatever "higher power" there may be, anything... simply "it." It could be anywhere, and everywhere, but I dont believe that he is anywhere.

2005-03-27 [Avoral]: I agree with that conversation a while back, [iippo], just so you know. I find the mindless attacks on Christianity and America everyone does these days to be highly irritating, to say the least. "Oh, I so pissed on those Christians..." Yeah. Just another Goth cliche.

2005-03-27 [Tails Of the Revolution]: someone should start counting those.

2005-03-27 [Avoral]: Yeah, really.

2005-03-28 [Lost in Illusions]: I dont despise Christians for their belief... I just abhor the Christian religion overall...

2005-03-28 [Tails Of the Revolution]: good word...

2005-03-28 [Lost in Illusions]: abhor? Yes, I enjoy using that word.... very powerful use, but funny at the same time.

2005-03-28 [Kayne]: And I'm just against any organisized religion. Christianity does count as such.

2005-03-28 [Delladreing]: Mockery you never answered me :p and on the Christian note thing about the goth cliche it so terribly is. God Haters United we smited them good :D, the fact that the majority of people defending the religion against the little gothy whiners were either atheist or pagan (and Kel aswell) said it all really. My main problem wih "organised" religions is the capacity for corruption. Look at the Church for Gods sakes, oh yes there are so many humble servers of Christ in it left, thats why its on the news that the Church just payed out a shitload of moey to the families of raped boys *mutters*]

2005-03-28 [iippo]: *has no access to news at all* O_o; Well, the Church is made of people and people aren't perfect. But it is impossible to be a Christian on one's own, that is why organised religion is important to Christians. We are told to get together and support each other. We can't judge others saying that they're not a good believer if they do something we don't agree on, because no one knows anyone but themselves and no one knows God (higher power, it) perfectly.